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Centralized discussion See also: Village pump/Proposals   ■ Archive Proposal to prohibit political restriction templates (5 February 2024) Should PD-CQ Roll Call be used for recent images? (5 January 2024) Technical needs survey (17 December 2023) When does PDART apply to textile works? (15 November 2023) Does this image contain "love hearts"? (17 August 2023) Overhaul of categories by period (5 December 2022) Version of Saudi flag to use (11 July 2022) Concern regarding revocability of KOGL licenses (22 December 2021) Should deleting content from your own talk page be forbidden? (11 November 2021) Revise the COM:FOP Sweden section (1 February 2021) Change technical name of LRs to license-reviewer from image-reviewer(2 November 2023) User talk:湯崩正海#Image Tagging File:青島ビール放尿動画事件.jpgとUser talk:湯崩正海#File:青島ビール放尿動画事件.jpgで議論しています。皆様のご意見を募集しています。是非、ご参加ください。(2 November 2023) Template: View   ■ Discuss    ■ Edit   ■ Watch

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February 08

Signature help

Can anyone make out the signature on the bottom panel of File:Helix, v.5, no.9, Dec. 12, 1968 - DPLA - b4b749b194d7f45676e4a241a7cce198 (page 20).jpg? "M. [something] 1968". Might even be someone pretty well known, because the one at upper left is by Gilbert Shelton, signing only as "Gilbert". PD because of lack of notice. - Jmabel ! talk 20:32, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

M. Jonson I think. --Rosenzweig τ 17:07, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Also see File:Helix, v.5, no.2, Oct. 24, 1968 - DPLA - adb7324343eb8cf6bd8c018d9b7e6fe7 (page 23).jpg (lower left). --Rosenzweig τ 17:13, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

@Rosenzweig: Thanks. Could be "Jonson", "Torson", or "Turson", but at least that eliminates some other possibilities like "Foxson". - Jmabel ! talk 20:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Can these media be uploaded here if they have watermarks

These photos are some of the only ones I have found of this particular type of dance. They come from 1949 so they are not protected by copyright in China, but they also have a watermark on them. So are they not allowed to be uploaded due to the watermarks? https://web.archive.org/web/20221014133012/https://k.sina.com.cn/article_5898468734_15f937d7e01901taf5.html#/ Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 23:42, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: watermarks are discouraged but not forbidden. In this case they could easily be cropped out without affecting the main subject at all, so scarcely impair the images’ usability. But are the photos also copyright-free in the USA? I believe they would have to have been free in China by 1995.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 07:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

There is no need to resort to cropping off watermarks, there are plenty of free tools on the internet for erasing them. Broichmore (talk) 07:04, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I think you could find better sources where these photographs have no watermarks like: https://foto-history.livejournal.com/11923093.html 源義信 (talk) 00:24, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

February 09

Wikimedia blog on flickypedia

https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/02/09/introducing-flickypedia-a-better-way-to-get-flickr-images-on-wikimedia-commons/ —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 11:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I think this is premature. There are a number of unresolved issues discussed at Commons talk:Flickypedia. The statement "This flow has a little more friction than some other Flickr uploading tools, which is by design." underplays one of those issues, in that titles and captions must be entered manually, and are not prefilled from values in Flickr. Furthermore, it is not possible to copy the title from the first image in a set to the rest, with sequential number suffixes; and not possible to use the tool to copy the caption from the first image in a set to the rest (and then modify it in each case, if required). It is not even possible to sift+click to select a range of images - each must be clicked on individually (I'm currently trying to import a set of 91 pictures, and my RSI is bad enough as it is, thanks!). Colleagues will be aware that this functionality is present in our own upload wizard; and that such bulk selection and bulk population of caption/ description is also possible in the existing Flckr2Commons tool. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

+1 to Andy. For the common use case of copying over your own content from Flickr, the inability to easily copy titles and descriptions feels like a deliberately built-in defect. Ditto for bringing in materials like the ones I routinely copy from the Seattle Municipal Archives. - Jmabel ! talk 20:48, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Query media by category?

Hello,

In short I want to see all the videos in a category sorted by length longest to shortest. I remember there was a tool similar to PetScan (but older looking) that allowed you to do this, but I can't remember what it was. The results were tabular and it wasn't quickstatements, any of the commons.wikimedia search interfaces. Does anyone know what it was called or if I can do this with another tool? Edit: I've asked on Request a Query Carlinmack (talk) 15:52, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Solved! https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Request_a_query#Commons_Query_-_sort_videos_by_longest_to_shortest Carlinmack (talk) 18:46, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

February 11

SVG animations and animateMotion

Hello! Recently I created Elliptic orbit.svg. If you look at the file history, you will notice that there are two versions of the file. I normally use Firefox, and so only after submitting the first version I noticed that the animation does not work in Chrome. Afterwards I did find a solution to make it work in Chrome (i.e. the current version), however my solution made it no longer work in Firefox. Does anyone know how to make the animation work in every browser? --Grufo (talk) 08:33, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Use CSS animations. The only possible option. Users123tps (talk) 13:28, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I would have no idea how to simulate the acceleration/deceleration using CSS… --Grufo (talk) 17:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Sensual Image

Hello, I want to ask, is it allowed to upload sensual images of humans? As uploaded by User:Srakatundra? Thanks. Kuramochi Akihiko (talk) 08:47, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

These all are obvious copyright violations from some porn sites and should be deleted. -- Herbert Ortner (talk) 09:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done User warned, all files deleted. Please post on COM:ANU next time. Yann (talk) 09:55, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

@Yann: They then uploaded File:Its my scandal 14.jpg and tagged it {{Db-g7}}.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 15:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done Blocked indef. as VOA. It can't be said we didn't give a chance. Yann (talk) 16:18, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you to all of you. Kuramochi Akihiko (talk) 16:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

February 12

FYI: 2024: announcing the year of the OpenStreetMap vector maps

https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2024/02/11/2024-announcing-the-year-of-the-openstreetmap-vector-maps/

Huge news. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:17, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Wrong wikidata link to category

d:Q78093890 is a painting and does not match the locality of Category:Castle Place, Belfast. Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:19, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

It looks like a false match with an automated edit on Wikidata a few years ago. Because the name of the painting on Wikidata is the same as the geographical category on Commons (and the image of the painting is in the same category) a bot linked the painting to the geographical category. I'll clean this up when I get access to a PC later if another editor doesn't do it first (I'm on mobile at the moment and the Wikidata interface doesn't like mobile editing). From Hill To Shore (talk) 10:32, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

@Smiley.toerist and From Hill To Shore:  Done in these edits and creation of d:Q124512332.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 11:09, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Announcing the results of the UCoC Coordinating Committee Charter ratification vote

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Dear all,

Thank you everyone for following the progress of the Universal Code of Conduct. I am writing to you today to announce the outcome of the ratification vote on the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee Charter. 1746 contributors voted in this ratification vote with 1249 voters supporting the Charter and 420 voters not. The ratification vote process allowed for voters to provide comments about the Charter.

A report of voting statistics and a summary of voter comments will be published on Meta-wiki in the coming weeks.

Please look forward to hearing about the next steps soon.

On behalf of the UCoC Project team,

RamzyM (WMF) 18:23, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Final reminder on the technical needs survey

One last reminder that the voting on the Technical needs survey runs until the 15th of February. GPSLeo (talk) 18:39, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

What's going on with Commons:Deletion requests/mobile tracking?

A number of automated deletion scripts automatically add deletions of files uploaded by the mobile app to a list on this page. This page used to be archived weekly by User:CommonsMaintenanceBot, but it stopped doing so in September 2021. As a result, the page is now gigantic; it fails to render properly due to template inclusion limits, and editing it (e.g. when running those deletion scripts) can be slow.

Does this page still need to be kept around? Given that no one else seems to have noticed the rendering issues, it probably isn't serving any useful purpose. Failing that, can we get something set up to archive it again?

Omphalographer (talk) 20:34, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Rillke as bot operator.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 21:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

February 13

Max upload size has increased to 5 GiB

Just a heads up, the maximum upload size is now 5 GiB. This only applies to server side upload and chunked upload including UploadWizard and scripts like User:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js. Chunked upload has a reputation for being flaky for very large uploads, so your mileage may vary if trying to upload a very large file. It does not affect uploads done via Special:Upload which still has a max size of 100MB. Technically the change also applies to upload by url, but I suspect uploads of this size would hit a timeout when using that method. Happy uploading. Bawolff (talk) 08:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

And for context on the limits. 4GB was a MediaWiki technical limitation that is now solved. 5GB is a storage layer technical limitation which we cannot surpass without significant reworking of the storage layer, which isn't likely to happen any time soon. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Retrieving Image Author and Submission Date for Wiki Loves Monuments UK

Hello Wikimedia Commons Community!

Background

I'm currently working on a project to visualize data from the Wiki Loves Monuments UK contest. My aim is to display the contributions of participants, focusing on the image author and the submission date of each entry from the years 2013 to 2023.

I am reaching out to seek your advice on whether I am retrieving the image author and submission date correctly and if there's a more efficient or accurate method to get all the image submission items for the competition.

Current Method

I have been using the Wikimedia Commons API to retrieve the image author and submission date. For each image URL obtained from Wikidata, I query the Commons API to extract the artist (image author) and dateTimeOriginal (submission date). Here is a simplified version of my approach:

1. Query Wikidata for image submissions tagged with specific heritage designations relevant to the Wiki Loves Monuments contest.
2. For each image URL retrieved, perform a query to the Wikimedia Commons API to fetch metadata, including the image author and submission date.
3. Filter the images submitted during September of each year from 2013 to 2023, aligning with the contest period.

Below is the code for fetching the image author and submission date for the image item.

import requests
from urllib.parse import unquote
from bs4 import BeautifulSoup
import html

def get_wikimedia_commons_data(file_url):
    # Extracting the file name from the URL
    file_name = unquote(file_url.split('/')[-1])

    # Wikimedia Commons API endpoint for fetching file information
    commons_api_url = "https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php"
    params = {
        "action": "query",
        "titles": f"File:{file_name}",
        "prop": "imageinfo",
        "iiprop": "extmetadata",
        "format": "json"
    }

    response = requests.get(commons_api_url, params=params)
    if response.status_code == 200:
        data = response.json()
        page = next(iter(data["query"]["pages"].values()))
        if "imageinfo" in page:
            imageinfo = page["imageinfo"][0]["extmetadata"]
            author_html = imageinfo.get("Artist", {}).get("value", "N/A")
            date = imageinfo.get("DateTimeOriginal", {}).get("value", "N/A")
            # Unescaping HTML entities
            author_html = html.unescape(author_html)
            # Using BeautifulSoup to parse HTML and extract text
            soup = BeautifulSoup(author_html, 'html.parser')
            author = soup.get_text()

            return author, date
        
    return "N/A", "N/A"

Challenges

While I have been able to retrieve a significant amount of data, I am concerned about the accuracy and completeness of the information, especially considering the large scale of submissions to the contest.

Questions

So my questions are:

1. Is there a more direct or reliable method to query for image submissions specifically tied to the Wiki Loves Monuments UK contest?
2. Are there any best practices or tools recommended by the community for handling such data retrieval efficiently?

I would greatly appreciate any insights, suggestions, or examples of how others have approached similar tasks. Your expertise could significantly enhance the accuracy and impact of this project.

Thank you for your time and assistance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by UnChampignon (talk • contribs) 10:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

--UnChampignon (talk) 10:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

As WLM only has own works uploaded you can simply use ["imageinfo"]["user"]. This parameter will always give the uploader as a string. You therefore do not need any html parsing. Only if you also want the attribution name and not only the account name you need the "extmetadata" property. If you want the attribution name you could use the ["imageinfo"]["user"] as a fallback if there is no "Artist" property for the file. For a single run on all files in the WLM UK category this should be fast enough with a dedicated request for every file. If you want to speed this up you can request the data for up to 50 pages at once. If you want to do this you have to concatenate the stings of the file names with a pipe | between the files. In the results you will get a list with an entry for every requested page. Maybe you are already aware of this but I can try everything at Special:ApiSandbox. GPSLeo (talk) 15:03, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Duplicate media

Hi, not sure if there is a better place to note this but:

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flesh_And_The_Devil_(1927).webm
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flesh_and_the_Devil_(1926).webm

Are the same media, one being Media of the Day and one being featured on enwiki. It would be good to merge them and keep both attributes. Many thanks Carlinmack (talk) 12:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Carlinmack: I've added links between them in the "other versions" section. They're different crops: you can see that at 2:10 where the "1926" version has quite a lot more of the picture on the left. That means they're not duplicates in terms of COM:DUPE. The "1927" version is possibly redundant, but a full deletion request would be required to remove it. --bjh21 (talk) 20:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

February 14

Youtube removed CC attributions in Sept 2021 - how to handle verification

According to Youtube documentation https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797468 the Creative Commons Licesnes were discontinued September 2021 and required updates to video descriptions to indicate copyright if I read this correctly. This seems to imply that inaction would mean CC released videos would no longer have a CC license without the video owner updating their video description. Thus in cases where screenshots for images of individuals like File:Peter_Lawson_Jones_2017-02-09.jpg uploaded before these licenses were revoked may be compliant, but it is unclear since any structured verification was removed. How are the legacy images sourced via Youtube being verified to the licenses applied when they were uploaded? Should these all be marked {{subst:Npd}} or otherwise categorized in some way for a review for evidence of the license being accurate? Or what other considerations and indications should be done with these? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfgang8741 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 14 February 2024‎ (UTC)

You're misreading that page. Nothing has changed with regards to video licensing; videos can still be uploaded with a CC-BY license, and that license appears below the video description.

What was removed was an attributions page which was used by the YouTube video editor to automatically provide attribution for videos created from excerpts of other CC videos. This removal has already taken place, and YouTube now recommends that video authors now provide attribution in the description of a video, rather than using this separate page. Omphalographer (talk) 20:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

IIIF Manifests and bulk imports

Do we have a tool that will import a set of images with an IIIF Manifest, for example the 275 PD broadsides at [1]? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:11, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Cat-a-lot

Is it only me or is cat-a-lot also broken for anybody else? I can select the files/categories to move, but when I want to execute the move, the counter hangs at 1... --Reinhard Müller (talk) 11:40, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

i also got stuck sometimes a few days ago when i used it. i was adding a category to category pages (from special:Search results). i looked at the pages' wikitexts that probably got me stuck but didnt seem to see anything unusual. RZuo (talk) 17:20, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Meanwhile I also found out that it is limited to some categories and works for others. Please consider this case closed :-) --Reinhard Müller (talk) 08:43, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

To what categories is it limited? JopkeB (talk) 13:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

now today i'm trying again. moving subcats of Category:American diaspora to "american diaspora by country" gets me stuck. this must be a bug. RZuo (talk) 13:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I reported it this morning, see Commons:Village_pump/Technical#Cat-a-log_does_not_work_for_categories. JopkeB (talk) 13:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I'll continue there. Thanks for the pointer. --Reinhard Müller (talk) 14:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Another photo is hidden within revisions of one

In this file File:IlyaLazarenko.jpg I saw that there is actually another photo of the same guy as a different version of the file https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/a/ac/20170114201410%21IlyaLazarenko.jpg can we reupload this as a separate file? I am concerned a bit with the licensing of that version though. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 20:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

{{Split}} is the tag requesting different versions at the filename be split into separate filenames. But if there is no valid license for the intermediate file, then that revision should instead be rev-deleted. DMacks (talk) 20:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I have hidden the intermediate file as it seems like a copyvio. Abzeronow (talk) 20:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Problems with category page.

Today I created Category:Great Sand Dunes National Park and Preserve entrance signs. At the top of the category, there is a template with links to corresponding categories in other national parks. Why does the national park I created the new category for (Great Sand Dunes National Park and Preserve) not appear in the list at the top? Also, why is "United States national parks" redlinked? Jeffrey Beall (talk) 01:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC).

@Jeffrey Beall: Hi, and welcome. Nobody bothered to add Great Sand Dunes National Park and Preserve to {{US national parks}} or create Category:National parks of the United States entrance signs.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 01:50, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Great Sand Dunes is in the template. I think the reason it isn't showing up is because the new category includes "National Park and Preserve entrance signs" while the other categories include "National Park entrance signs." The mismatch prevents the template from functioning correctly. From Hill To Shore (talk) 02:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)