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February 15

Clarification about investigative journalism vs medical research

Hi, a major investigative piece was published about the Vipassana movement by the Financial Times (serially, concluding yesterday) and I have attempted to include a write-up of its contents on the Vipassana Movement page. This has been edited out, most recently, with the log line

We need independent academic secondary sources for claims of vipassana induced psychological or psychiatric effects. Also WP:UNDUE

Firstly, I can't see why a journalistic investigation of health effects by a major and respected UK newspaper would be "UNDUE". To my mind removing the section seems like trying to "hush up" the reporting. Arided (talk) 09:14, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

No, the issue is that medical claims are treated much more carefully on Wikipedia. See WP:MEDRS. Remsense诉 09:17, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

But it's not really a medical claim to say "The FT has published a piece of investigative journalism, interviewing 20+ people who claim to have had serious negative mental health consquences following Goenka-style retreats." This is a point of fact! Arided (talk) 09:43, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

The fact is that the FT published something. The problem of using this in a WP article is the claim to have had .... bit, which does not prove cause-and-effect. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:51, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Personally, I feel it is worth knowing that people who didn't perceive themselves as having any major mental health problems did manifest significant health problems at a retreat. Indeed, the journalist says in her reporting that what really matters from her perspective is the response of the people in the organisation to the health effects that manifested while attendees were under their watch. Her reporting shows that this response was pretty thin. I could do a better job writing up that part, but would need to figure out how to present the basic material here in the first place. To reiterate, it's not a medical claim, and it's not a water-tight case for cause and effect. It's a report from which people are able to draw their own conclusions, but only if they find out about it and listen to it. Arided (talk) 10:09, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Two comments:

1. The content added by Arided is about the harm reportedly done by a type of religious retreat. There's nothing medical about this. I doubt that WP:MEDRS applies.
2. Four of the sources cited by Arided were written by the same journalist. This seems disproportionate.

Maproom (talk) 10:41, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

"a major investigative piece was published ... serially, concluding yesterday". Hardly disproportionate. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:50, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Change of last name

Hi. I'm interested in editing a last name on wiki to have the married name, then nee maiden name. How is this achieved?

Many thanks. 2404:4404:18A0:8001:4973:2586:E7C1:BA8F (talk) 00:43, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello. You need to provide a reference to a reliable published source that verifies the change of last name. Read Referencing for beginners. Cullen328 (talk) 01:43, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Image Resize

I just had just added an oversize image to my article. Could someone resize this because I don't know how. Thanks help desk! ⚒️★MinecraftPlayer★³²¹⚒️ Let's Chat! 03:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@MinecraftPlayer321: Fixed by [1]. Many infoboxes like Template:Infobox automobile#Image just want the file name and then sets the size automatically. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:12, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunterThanks! ⚒️★MinecraftPlayer★³²¹⚒️ Let's Chat! 19:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Are links to Spotify permitted as references?

I was looking at the new article Restlezz. I am not convinced the subject is notable, so I looked at the references. Many of them are links to their songs on Spotify. I am old, so I don't know anything about Spotify, but these links look as though they allow you to actually play the song, rather than providing any information about it. Can anybody who knows more about this area please advise whether these are acceptable references? Gronk Oz (talk) 03:58, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@gronk oz: they are not. ltbdl (talk) 06:06, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ltbdl: Thanks for that. Those links had been removed in the meantime anyway, but it is good to know the rules.--Gronk Oz (talk) 22:39, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Fair use and PD images in the same biography

Is it permitted to have a both a "Fair Use" image and a public domain image in the same biography? For example a PD image of the subject as a young man, and a Fair Use image of the subject as an older man? Muzilon (talk) 07:55, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@Muzilon In short, no. If there is a PD (or at least acceptably licensed, not exactly the same thing) image of a person, non-free can't be used. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:46, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Someone better take a look at Johnny Rebel (singer) then. Muzilon (talk) 08:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Annoying, but yes. But it's fairly clear, see "Replaceable?" at [2]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:12, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Worst problem on Wikipedia ever

Looking at Deep Rock Galactic: Survivor {{Cite web}} shows "Retrieved" but {{Citation}} shows "retrieved". Please fix this because currently Wikipedia is literally unusable. Polygnotus (talk) 11:06, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Don’t you think that it might be a bit pretentious to call this the ‘worst problem on Wikipedia ever’? - delta (talk) 16:02, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@Anotherdelta: I am almost certain they were making a joke. Tollens (talk) 18:46, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

|mode=cs1 seems to fix this, and of course we can change the template from Citation to Cite web, but why the inconsistency? Polygnotus (talk) 11:11, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@Polygnotus: I've just swapped it to {{cite web}}. {{citation}} uses WP:Citation Style 2 by default, while cite web uses WP:Citation Style 1. There's really no meaningful reason I'm aware of to prefer one over the other (but CS1 is used way more often). As long as an article is consistent internally it's fine either way. Tollens (talk) 11:16, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@Tollens: Why not let these citation styles fight to the death, and use the survivor? What is the advantage of having 2? Polygnotus (talk) 11:19, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@Polygnotus: That's basically what happens with any competing standards, really! I'm sure eventually, only one will be left. Unless perhaps we're thinking more along the lines of gladiatorial combat, in which case CS1 would clearly defeat CS2 by hurling its terminal punctuation at it. Tollens (talk) 11:29, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

In response to your updated question: there is no benefit to having two. Like many things, unfortunately, it is just "that's what got made", and nobody has merged the two (because doing so would be a lot of work and make some people unhappy). Tollens (talk) 11:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Of course there will only be one standard eventually, just like left-hand drive cars and 60-cycle electricity. -Arch dude (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

How to change title page

How to change the tile page from Thitinart Na Pattalung to Ddnard na Patalung? Because she is now change her spelling name. Lakwilai (talk) 11:25, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Thitinart Na Pattalung has the option "Move". You can click on it, Lakwilai, and "move" it from the one title to the other. Incidentally, whatever its title, it's a terrible article, citing dubious looking sources. And I wonder: Why do your recent additions -- such as For 27 years, she has endured these challenges with remarkable grace, never once retaliating, explaining, or complaining. She remains silent in whatever she has been accused of. She still goes on doing her own meditation while helping others. Whoever needs her helps will always get helps. Gracefully, she stands firm and never compromised in her believes (completely unreferenced) -- seem to be written by a different person than the one who wrote Because she is now change her spelling name? -- Hoary (talk) 11:56, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

All your base are belong to us. MinorProphet (talk) 13:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Joining Wikipedia

Hi. I am a contribator to Wickipedia and would like to have direct access to the facilitity from my computor. How do I do this? Regards Derek John 31.52.202.24 (talk) 12:03, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Which facility, exactly? -- Hoary (talk) 12:19, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Derek. To create an account, please visit Special:CreateAccount. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shantavira (talk • contribs)

If you mean an easier way to get to https://en.wikipedia.org then we may be able to help if you tell your operating system and browser, and how you currently get here. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Notifying an author who created a page on Wikipedia

Hello, I would like to request an article for speedy deletion using WP:A10. I know how to do the request, but I also want to notify the author. How do I notify the author? The Film Creator (talk) 14:43, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I would recommend using WP:TWINKLE, which can automate the notification process. If you want to do it manually, each criterion has an associated notification template, like Template:Db-a10-notice. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:51, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

References of Sam Heughan

Why is all the Information under References NOT listed CHRONOLOGICALLY?? Makes no sense considering we lie in a computer aided age??? PITIFUL... 72.28.57.41 (talk) 15:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

References are in order of occurrence in the article text. This has been standard practice throughout the publishing industry for more than two centuries and was adopted by Wikipedia when it started 20 years ago, probably without much discussion. If you would like to start a discussion on this please do so on the appropriate discussion page (maybe Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style). It is beyond the scope of the help desk. -Arch dude (talk) 15:39, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Sam Heughan#References shows the reference text for inline citations. They are numbered and appear in the order they are used in the article where the number is also shown, and there are links both way. This system is much more practical than listing them chronologically and ignore where they are used. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:41, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Depending on the article in question, they may be listed in the order in which they appear in the text (through sequentially-numbered footnotes), alphabetically by author, or, indeed, chronologically. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:44, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Alphabetically by author tends to be when the references are mostly from books, and then the refs are really to the pages. George Washington a good example for that.Naraht (talk) 16:13, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

The reference system matters. Numbered inline citations are always in order of use as far as I know, also George Washington#References. That article uses a reference system where most of the numbered references have a link to another section George Washington#Bibliography which is alphabetical by author. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Page Removed

Wanting to recover my deleted page Basketball2024 (talk) 16:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

This will need to be more specific, because your user contributions are currently showing only two contributions.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:07, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

• Your user sandbox was deleted per WP:U5, which is misuse of Wikipedia as a web host.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:11, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

  How do I retreieve the material I wrote? Basketball2024 (talk) 19:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

  The message on your User Talk page tells you how to request that. ColinFine (talk) 19:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

What to do with split title

This has bothered me for a while. There was an article that was at the title of "List of Soviet and Russian [blank]", but was, per consensus, split into one article for both of those things. The old title currently points to the Soviet page, but I feel like this is misleading for a redirect (and I don't know what to categorize it as). I've run into this situation a few times. Any suggestions? PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:24, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: Why is the name of the article secret? If you tell us, we can see what needs to be done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:08, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Because IIRC I have run into this problem at least twice (though I forgot the name of the first one). The one that's currently bothering me is List of Soviet and Russian assassinations (i need to clean up and write a lead for both articles anyway) PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:11, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: Fixed here. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Font change

Accessed Wikipedia today 15/2 to find that every single piece of text has had a horrible font change.

Is there any way to revert it personally or have the update undone. It’s not pleasant 81.168.75.73 (talk) 19:35, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Talk page font size - seems to be a mobile issue. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 21:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect thumbnail image displayed in search bar

Hi, I'm currently editing Murder of Brianna Ghey and I've noticed when I search for the article in Wikipedia's search bar, the image that shows up next to article is a map instead of the image of the victim. I think this happened because the infobox image was replaced a number of times a week ago.

Is this something that can be fixed, or do we just have to wait for it to update? — nullh1ve (talk) 19:50, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Nullh1ve, It happened because the free use image had an incorrect license and was deleted. There is no free use image of Ghey.

Images only show up in previews if they're free use, not fair use. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:19, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up! — nullh1ve (talk) 20:25, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

A small correction on terminology. "Previews" refers to what is displayed when hovering over a link. Non-free images are allowed in previews and File:Brianna Ghey.jpg is displayed for Murder of Brianna Ghey. The question was not about previews but images shown next to search results in mobile search. Non-free images are disallowed there so the next image File:Culcheth Linear Park Entrance.png is shown. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:37, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

my bad D: PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:40, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Maplink vs. Location map

Is there a policy or guideline for when to use {{Maplink}} and when to use {{Location map}} in infoboxes? Andumé (talk) 20:46, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to know this too. I use locationmap when I have a choice because I really dislike how maplink looks, but is there a specific policy reason? PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:25, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

The Internet-related article's stub status: Inquiry on how to expand and improve it

Dear Wikipedia Team, I hope you are doing good. I recently came across the Wikipedia article titled "Semantic search" and I noticed that it currently holds a stub status, with the message prompting for expansion. I wanted to reach out to inquire about the process for expanding and updating this article. I have written a comprehensive and updated piece on the same topic, "Semantic Search and SEO in 2024" which I believe could greatly enhance the existing content on Wikipedia. My article covers recent developments and provides additional insights that I think would be valuable to include. Could you please provide guidance on how I can proceed to edit the article and present my updated content for consideration? I'm eager to contribute to the improvement of this article and ensure that Wikipedia users have access to accurate and relevant information on this topic. Thank you for your time and assistance. I look forward to your response. Best regards, ShanDigitalMarketing ShanDigitalMarketing (talk) 21:59, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Before you do anything else you will need to request a user name change as yours is not appropriate. Theroadislong (talk) 22:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, SDM. The important thing to realise is that a Wikipedia article summarises what independent reliable sources say about a subject: nothing more. In particular, it should not contain any argumentation, synthesis, conclusions, or recommendations. In this is it different from most kinds of writing. I suspect (but I may be wrong) that your existing piece will not be suitable as it stands, but it may well be that the research you have done will provide a foundation for suitable writing.

If I'm wrong, and you think the piece is suitable as it stands, then there's the question of copyright. If the piece has not already been published, then there's no problem: it's yours, and you can license it in the way that Wikipedia requires, simply by editing it into the article. But if the piece has already been published, then it depends what copyright is claimed in the publication. You may need to formally grant a licence: see donating copyright materials.

The other thing, besides what Theroadislong says about user username (see CHU), you need to consider if you have a conflict of interest in writing on this topic. If you have, that does not prevent you from working on it, but you should probably not edit the article directly, but should propose your changes on the talk page. See edit request ColinFine (talk) 22:46, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Place to ask for a map to be updated (map of US State Guards)

Hello, the article for US State Guards used to have a map at the top showing which states have an SG. It no longer does, and the former map was made in 2019 and did not include Florida which was since added.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:State_Defense_Force_Map_December_2019.png

Where can I ask for someone to change the color of Florida and possibly other changes? Thanks? TapTheForwardAssist (talk) 22:35, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@TapTheForwardAssist: The creator of the file has not been active on Commons since 2019. You may download the file in its largest version to your computer, modify it using a paint program (e.g., the GIMP), and upload your new version. -Arch dude (talk) 23:24, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

@TapTheForwardAssist: You can ask at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:19, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

February 16

Repeated citations of a society's minutes

Hi, I'm happily using strings like the one below which produces <ref name="Cattell2" />{{rp|p.80}} when I am citing different pages of the same book.

[Of course I'm really typing <ref name + ="Cattell" + " />{{rp + |p.80}} concatenated without the pluses and spaces]

I'm trying to find what to substitute for the 'rp|' so that I can enter a date such as 6 Nov 1861 or, if Wikipedia prefers it 6 November 1861. I've spent hours today looking on guidance pages without success so any help would be most gratefully received. Many thanks for your time.Ishpoloni (talk) 02:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

What you are looking for doesn't exist as far as I know. But you can use something like this:

<ref name="bronto">{{cite book |last=Elk |first=Anne |title=[[Anne's Theory on Brontosauruses]] |date=November 16, 1972 |page=5}}</ref>

{{r|bronto|at=1 Januari 1900}}

Which would look like this: https://i.imgur.com/wvaHbTd.png

Polygnotus (talk) 03:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks, I'll try that. Ishpoloni (talk) 09:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks. I had to tweak it a bit but ended up with

and

which works for further repeats Ishpoloni (talk) 11:12, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ishpoloni: {{rp}} is actually quite flexible. The paramater is not required to be a number. The documentation says that when it is not a number you should use the "at" parameter instead, so {{re|at=6 Nov 1861}} should yield something like this. -Arch dude (talk) 04:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks. I tried that before I wrote but must have missed out an = or something. I'll try it again. Ishpoloni (talk) 09:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks. It worked perfectly. Ishpoloni (talk) 11:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

References

I did an edit but didnt do it right - please help me make it right?

I made an edit on this page

Motorcycle frame#Motorcycle frame measurement

I will be learning to work with/on Wikipedia in the future because it was very empowering to start to help but until then, can someone take a look at this page/section and help me make it right? Thanks 71.105.211.108 (talk) 03:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello fellow IP editor. Please don't insert comments like that into an article - you can always use the talk page if you want to suggest improvements, or just leave an explanation in your edit summary. I've removed your comment and added a citation needed maintenance tag instead. 97.113.173.101 (talk) 04:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

That is why I'm here - to get the offending content corrected, as I do not know how to do any of those things, like leave comments in an edit summary. Thank you. 71.105.211.108 (talk) 05:12, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia for a basic guide. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Recreating deleted category

I want to recreate the category Category:D.I.C.E. Award winners which I feel was unfairly deleted. However, I'm not sure where to host a discussion where is will get attention. I tried the talk page but I doubt it will be fruitful. ThanatosApprentice (talk) 04:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:OCAWARD. What I get from the deletion discussion here and the deletion review is that the awards are not important enough. Chances on survival are slim, sorry. The Banner talk 12:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I would still like the chance to reopen this conversation with the proper context. I just want to know where I would do that.--ThanatosApprentice (talk) 01:22, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Armed forces flag transclusion issue

Can somebody in the know fix the formatting of the armed forces flag rendering for the item Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades at Palestinian Joint Operations Room – both in the infobox as well as in the corresponding section "Members"? I'd be very grateful for any assistance. Hildeoc (talk) 07:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Hildeoc Seems to be an issue with {{Armed forces}}, which is well beyond my paygrade. There is a discussion at Template talk:Armed forces you could contribute to, maybe mentioning it on one of the Military History Project talkpages to get some attention. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for taking interest still. @PrimeHunter, any idea how do fix that maybe? Hildeoc (talk) 21:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

The problem is that File:Logo of PFLP.png is listed as non-free so it's not allowed in the same situations as a normal flag and has been removed from {{Country data Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine}}.[3] I don't speak Arabic and cannot say whether there is something at the official site https://pflp.ps/ or elsewhere which indicates an acceptable license for our flag icons. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:57, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much, once again, for your kind support, PrimeHunter. 🙏

So what would be the best to do in this instance then? Hildeoc (talk) 23:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

You could try Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. It's not my specialty. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:05, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Suggestions for my newly-created article

I recently created an article, Nexfibre - something I believe is of significance to telecommunications in the UK and also meets notability requirements to be on WP.

It was tagged with Peacock - and I’m wondering if anyone could provide some suggestions, advice or a review of the article so I know what needs to be done to amend it.

I’m stuck as to how I can make improvements to it that would justify the removal of the tag. It’s only the 3rd article I’ve created so I’m a beginner when it comes to this.

thanks! Josh (talk) 09:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I've removed the tag as it was not clear to me why it was added. Anyone tagging an article like that would be well advised to open a discussion on the talk page, explaining their concerns. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:28, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Design of web pages

Good afternoon! I just want to know one thing: why did the text of web pages change and the font of some headings stop being bold?

Is it just me having this problem, or is it Wikipedia’s design updates? Nature Moon (talk) 12:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

It's on all Wikimedia projects, and it looks awful. Left alignment instead of justified? Are they insane? --2800:AC:4010:C67:1:0:28ED:3368 (talk) 13:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Left-aligned text can be beneficial for WP:ACCESSIBILITY. Bazza (talk) 14:01, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Nature Moon: I'm curious as I see no change. Which skin are you using, and on what browser, device and mode (desktop or mobile)? Bazza (talk) 13:58, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Skin: Vector 2022

Browser: Samsung Internet and Google

Device: Samsung Galaxy A32

Mode: mobile (no changes in desktop mode, checked)

Nature Moon (talk) 14:08, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Help desk#Font change further up this page and the link to VPT. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 14:20, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

That relates to the Minerva skin. There have been no changes that I am aware of to Vector 2022 skin so would be great if you could elaborate with some screenshots! Thanks in advance! Jdlrobson (talk) 17:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Huh, I scrutinized Wikipedia:Skins again, so yes, the changes are to the Minerva skin. Thanks for the info! Nature Moon (talk) 11:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Ubl template (stocks)

Greetings

I copied

| traded_as ={{ubl|{{FWB|SIE}}|[[DAX]] component}}

from the Siemens page, and intended to use it for another company.

When I fill in with XOSL|ABL and then OSEBEX, or the abb. for the stock market, the name of the ticker and then the name of the stock market´s index, I get this

Traded as

• Template:XOSL
• OSEBX component

What is going on here, and is there a page where I can look up syntax like ubl?

Yours truly Audun H. Nilsen NilsenAudun (talk) 14:23, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@NilsenAudun You can find documentation on individual templates by searching for "template:templatename" in the standard search box. They can also be linked using the template tl, so {{ubl}} gives a link to the first bit of the rather complicated syntax in the infobox you looked at. All this bit does is provide an UnBulleted List. Within that, there is the {{FWB}} template which is intended to provide an external link to the relevant Frankfurt code (SIE for Siemens). All a bit complicated! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@NilsenAudun: The problem is not {{ubl}} but the rest which are parameters in the call of {{ubl}}. {{FWB|SIE}} is the syntax for a call of Template:FWB with parameter SIE. There is no Template:XOSL so it doesn't work to write anything with {{XOSL}}. Template:FWB redirects to Template:Frankfurt Stock Exchange which is in Category:Ticker symbol templates where Template:EuronextOslo is listed. You can use that. We have no OSEBX article. OSEBX is mentioned in Oslo Stock Exchange but {{EuronextOslo}} already links there so I wouldn't link OSEBX. You can write {{ubl|{{EuronextOslo|ABL}}|OSEBX component}} to produce:

• Oslo Stock Exchange: ABL
• OSEBX component

PrimeHunter (talk) 18:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Location map

Using the location map template, is there a way to show more than one location?

At the article 2017 Irish Coast Guard Rescue 116 crash there is a map showing the location of BlackRock Island. I would like to add the locations of Dublin and Sligo as well, as these are the bases where the two helicopters came from. 86.3.219.123 (talk) 15:03, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Go ahead and make the change. You will need to change the current {{Location map}} to {{Location map many}}. -Arch dude (talk) 18:27, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that did the job. 86.3.219.123 (talk) 08:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

What do you suggest?

Dear, how are you? I've delved into the groundbreaking work of neuroscientist Ricardo Dolmetsch, focusing on his remarkable achievements in neuroscience and gene therapy. Despite his extensive research conducted at Stanford University, surprisingly, there hasn't been an article highlighting his contributions yet. Before proceeding with publication, I'd greatly appreciate your input and any suggestions you might have.

Title: Ricardo Dolmetsch Them: neuroscience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Marcelosca/sandbox

Thanks dude! Marcelosca (talk) 19:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Marcelosca, it looks pretty good to me. A couple of minor things, easily fixed: section headers should be sentence-case, not headline-case; and there's an unwanted double linefeed near the end of the second section. I'd recommend moving it to draft space,so that other editors will be more likely to help improve it. Maproom (talk) 20:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

On further consideration – you may need to do a bit more to establish that Dolmetsch is notable, in Wikipedia's idiosyncratic sense. Papers authored or co-authored by Dolmetsch don't help with this, nor do articles based on interviews with him. The reference currently numbered 26 looks good, but of the sources I can access, it's probably the only one to help much with notability. Maproom (talk) 20:58, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Marcelosca, it would help if you could highlight the three best reliable sources which are independent of the subject. Otherwise a reviewer has to work through 29 references, many of which will not be independent. TSventon (talk) 21:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I will look for more sources. Marcelosca (talk) 21:49, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Displaying three location maps in a horizontal line

I know how to display multiple images next to each other to form a horizontal line using the gallery template, but how can I do this with location maps? Maybe I can't. Mikenorton (talk) 21:21, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

May be you know better

Good day to you! I am confident you know better. How properly to deal with Wikipedia unreviewed articles? For users without autopatrolled rights, is it okay continuously to create more articles while others are not reviewed? or I should take some pause and wait the review process? For my case, I have 4 new unreviewed articles in 10 days and 10 articles in last 30 days. Thank you. 6eeWikiUser (talk) 23:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 6eeWikiUser. The most important thing to keep in mind is that quality is much more important than quantity. When I look at your user talk page, I see lots of feedback from other editors about quality problems with your drafts and articles. Submitting well referenced drafts about clearly notable topics is just fine. So, focus on the quality of your drafts. Do you have a financial interest in any of your articles or drafts? Cullen328 (talk) 21:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Cullen328. Thank you so much for feedback and advising on the best way to go, I am going to improve. On Wikipedia, I have fun in creating great articles. My interest is about people, I guess it is why I receive many comments from other editors. However, every comment leaves me differently as I aim to learn and do better. I don’t have financial interest in any of my articles or drafts. Thank you. 6eeWikiUser (talk) 21:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

February 17

Citing rare books/catalogues

Quick question about print citations and references. I'm citing several rare books/exhibition catalogues that I viewed in a museum library - they all have publishers/dates/oclc numbers, etc., but they are really hard to access (as in, only 5 institutions worldwide have a copy of several, per WorldCat). Should I be adding the location that I accessed them?

To be clear, these are not publications accessed via an artist file/clipping file in the library; these were published books/catalogues included in the library catalogue (if only published in editions of <1000). Just not sure if I should/how to add that location access info. Thank you! 19h00s (talk) 00:24, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, if such works have been published (and a few hundred is not an uncommon print run for new hardback books of unproven or limited appeal) and are available in libraries, they are fine to cite in Wikipedia – they do not have to be easily available, just possible to access, even if one has to visit an institution with a copy to do so (something I used to do regularly when working in text research/editing). See Wikipedia:INDICATEAVAIL. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.24.45.226 (talk) 00:47, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! 19h00s (talk) 00:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Nothing to add, 19h00s, other than: Excellent work on the article Sam Gilliam! -- Hoary (talk) 03:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Publishing a draft as a restoration of a redirect merge.

Hello, I recently finished up Draft:Masters of Atlantis, however what I am trying to do is restore a merged page under Masters of Atlantis after I got together enough sources to pass notability. I am the only significant author on the draft itself and the 'legacy' content taken from before the merge is attributed in the page history, would it be preferable to do a paste-merge over the redirect or to publish the draft wholesale? Orchastrattor (talk) 02:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Orchastrattor The very first creation of what is now the redirect page was an attempt to create a plot summary for the novel. Only later was that turned into a redirect to the author, which is its current state. I don't see any harm in you copy/pasting your draft into that, since the history will be retained. Then you can ask for your draft to be deleted. If you want feedback on your draft, submit it for review and the experienced editor who accepts it will sort out the situation regarding the redirect. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:02, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

What is !vote

I feel fairly dumb, I only just learned about the existence of "!vote" but I don't know how it works, I've just seen it mentioned on deletion discussions... I've just been surrounding the 1-5 word summary of what I want to happen with ''' to make it bold (Delete, Keep, etc). Has my vote not been getting registered? Is there a page that shows how to use !vote? Theooolone (talk) 03:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Theooolone: See Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion. "!vote" means "not vote". The "!" is used in some programming languages to mean "not". It's not a vote, because we are supposed to be using discussion to reach a consensus. Thus, a bare Delete or Keep does not add much. Instead, add your reasoning. Your !vote will be considered by the person closing the discussion based on your reasoning, not just a tally. -Arch dude (talk) 03:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Arch dude I've skimmed through Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion in the past (I think I read the lead and the next few paragraphs after that, although I should have read further down!), and I have been discussing instead of just a bare delete or keep (check), my initial question was phrased badly and did not specify this, so let me clarify now.

When I said "Has my vote not been getting registered?", I was thinking my reasoning wouldn't get registered by some software properly if I didn't use !vote, which I thought was syntax of some sort (like ~~~~) because in other software commands sometimes begin with symbols like / or ! or :. I see now that that is completely incorrect, thank you for the clarification! Theooolone (talk) 04:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Theooolone This may not interest you, but there is a "afd statistics" tool [4]. This looks for and lists your (signed) standard !votes in afd:s, keep, delete etc. Others it lists under "Show pages without detected votes". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Interesting tool! will keep it in mind, thanks! Theooolone (talk) 03:15, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Dark mode

You have been out since 2001 and im curious about if you have a dark mode. Im a welder by trade most apps and certain sites have the option but its to hard on my eyes later in the day to be on here. 173.89.67.198 (talk) 04:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia does have a dark mode! Have a look at WP:DARK for info on how to enable it Theooolone (talk) 04:26, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Can't seem to publish some fixes today

On my phone, I just finished some minor proofreading fixes to the article about Mark Twain. As usual, I went through the procedure to explain what I did that's required just before publishing. But there is no Publish button.

I'm writing to the Help desk on my computer. What can I do to publish the edits on my phone? If I can't do it, then I'll have lost 15-20 minutes' worth of work.Augnablik (talk) 09:40, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: Changes you to that article about 25 hours ago were saved (Diff). have you edited since? Are you logged in on the phone? As a general rule, make smaller edits and save more often! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:28, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

draft deleted - reason for deletion

Hi Team,

I created a draft on myself Draft:Dharmendra Sharma.

This was deleted as there was a violation of some policy.

I want to understand what was that content due to which policy got violated and that resulted in immediate draft deletion. Please share the reason.

Thanks, Dharmendra Sharma Dharmendrassallp (talk) 12:37, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, your draft was deleted due to WP:G11 - for blatant advertising. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Dharmendrassallp Please read the autobiography policy. It is highly discouraged for people to write about themselves. 331dot (talk) 12:44, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Font size

Greetings!

How can I reduce the size of the letters in the caption of that table of images in the "tourism" section? It's very big.--Agent010 (talk) 13:09, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Agent010, I've made it smaller. It's possible that other editors will disagree with my chamge, and undo my change. If that happens, you should discuss it on the article's talk page. Maproom (talk) 17:19, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom, wow, that was nice, thanks!--Agent010 (talk) 17:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Reliable sources

I just tried to publish an article I´ve been putting together to learn how to edit Wikipedia.

The message I got was I needed reliable sources, and I wonder.. How on Earth does the computer know so much about the six different sources I used? No loading bar or anything, just the blink of an eye.

Is there something wrong with one of them ?

Is there a requirement that you need at least one of a certain kind of source ?

This is the article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ABL_Group

What surprised me was that it´s not even up for review. I think there´s something tripping a wire somewhere. NilsenAudun (talk) 13:10, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, you haven't actually submitted the draft for review. I'm assuming that the issue is the tag at the top of the page for "requiring more citations". That's something you added when you created the page.

Considering that is dated from 2022, is this information copied from somewhere else? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@NilsenAudun Lee has explained what probably went wrong but on the topic of sourcing, you are some way off an acceptable article. You need to demonstrate the wikinotabiliy of the company, which means using sources that are entirely independent of them, reliable, and with significant coverage: see this guide. You should not say stuff like The company proudly traces it´s [sic] roots all the way back to 1857 (my emphasis) unless that's a direct quote from a cited source: we want Wikipedia to have a neutral point of view. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:48, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

It´s a little late in the evening right now for me to deal with the first point, but I react to your point. I´ll admit it was a bit hasty in the end phase there, a mixture of fatigue and pride, but are you sure that I was so "way off"? I linked to Lloyds, which is two centuries removed, and of historical importance and significance, I linked to a stock excchange, which has no immediate commercial interest in the company, and I also linked to an independent magazine. What´s the cut off for you before it passes muster? I grew up on lexicons you couldn´t hold with both hands, and luxury like this was unthinkable back then.

P.S.

I just want to say that neutrality in journalism is called objectivity, as in saying what you see, as opposed to what you feel, or in the immortal words of Immanuel Kant; Ding an sich, und ding an mich. I appreciate your input, perhaps pride is a bit out of place. NilsenAudun (talk) 18:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

The fact that a stockexchange lists a company may be proof that that company exists, but what Wikipedia wants is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Simply mentioning the existence of a company is not significant coverage. Offshore magazine is not a reliable source but WP:USERGENERATED content written by people trying to promote a brand. Polygnotus (talk) 18:56, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Please read WP:BOSS. Polygnotus (talk) 19:01, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Every user has a WP:TALKPAGE, yours is at User_talk:NilsenAudun and every article does too, Draft talk:ABL Group. Polygnotus (talk) 19:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Creating a company BIO and overview

I am new to Wikipedia, and I would like to create a company overview and Bio. I would like to find guidelines to ensure this is created correctly. Officially Organic (talk) 16:37, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

You will find that Wikipedia doesn't host a single company overview or Bio, we have articles on notable companies preferably created by people with no connection. Theroadislong (talk) 16:40, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

If it is this company, the WP:USERNAME would be unsuitable. See also WP:BOSS.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:48, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

If only this were true! Wikipedia hosts many "profiles" of little or no worth, but sending them to AFD is such a chore. 126.254.248.239 (talk) 23:24, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

February 18

Creating stub template pages

Hello, Wikipedians! I'm trying to create a page for a stub template using {{asbox}}. Looking at other pages, it says that the data and writing is autogenerated. However, when I put in the same code, nothing happens besides showing the templates. Could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 00:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

First, please always provide a link to what you are talking about. Presumably you mean, {{Canadian-navy-tugboat-stub}}. I notice that you have unpaired noinclude tags there, so you might want to fix that first. I don't know what you mean by "nothing happens"; I can see the output of the template. The stub system is organized at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting, and I'm not all that familiar with it, but I believe there are some standards for what stubs ought to be created, and what not, and how to organize them. I would suggest asking your question there, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting. Mathglot (talk) 00:44, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 01:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Wait, what do you mean by "you can see the output"? Can you see the template, or does it show additional writing? 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 01:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Add ping User:8UB3RG1N3. Mathglot (talk) 00:46, 18 February 2024 (UTC)